Dial-a-problem. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! This is not a health issue to be taken lightly and all due diligence is being made to make sure he gets the best medical care that is available to him., The influencer has made appeals against his detention since his arrest. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? A spokesperson for Mr Tate told Mail Online that the 36-year-old was taken to a Romanian clinic because he was not allowed to be monitored by his chosen medical team in Dubai. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. According to a police affidavit, Rorrer called the Katrinak house in mid-December 1994. Patricia is a evil monster. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Authorities said the 3-month-old died either of suffocation or of exposure while lying on his mother's stomach. ``I didn't know her back then, but I don't think she could begin to do what she's been accused of doing,' Myers said. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. I cant lose them, he told the media. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. But none of those charges ever stuck. Just one example. Thats my life.. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Mary was born in August 1891, in Connecticut. Phone records dont lie.) They broke up in 1993. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. 2023 Advance Local Media LLC. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Hege described Rorrer as savvy and street-smart and similar to other horse lovers he knows. The influencer has Andrew Tates legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. The state police targeted Rorrer as a suspect that summer, and troopers traveled to North Carolina eight or nine times, Kohuth said. He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. No explanation given. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Hege said Rorrer's baby is with her mother, Patricia Chambers of Lexington. Byrd Jr. of the Davidson County Sheriff's Department. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Bookmark. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Find lehighvalleylive.com on Facebook. One on one? By. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Have you read the book? This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they . YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. False. Everyone lies. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Andrew Katrinak. Sometimes Teresa goes by various nicknames including Teresa Jean Katrinak, Teresa J Benchini, Teresa J Benckini and Teresa J Katrinak. Stable situation. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). SHAME ON THEM. ``As good as she is with people and animals, I just can't believe it.'. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Prior to his incarceration, Mr Tates had a medical consultation in Dubai about a serious health condition, his team said. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. I very much doubt you are. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Whatever the truth is. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. The comments below have been moderated in advance. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. Hair we go. This weekDuke of York said he does not want to leave his mansion in the grounds of Windsor Castle despite telling friends he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. Prince Andrew was seen smiling while riding a horse this morning despite tensions with King Charles who reportedly asked him to leave Royal Lodge. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Nope. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Am I missing something? Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Stop. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. Andrew J Katrinak, age 68, Drake, CO . Rorrer called Myers collect from the jail Tuesday afternoon. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been jailed in . Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. The evidence was all there. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Very similar. Judge Douglas Reichley heard arguments on the motion for post-conviction relief but did not issue a timeline for making a ruling, according to the Lehigh County District Attorney's Office. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Neighbors saw police cars in her driveway and acquaintances heard rumors about her previous boyfriends.The intrigue peaked Tuesday at 5:50 a.m., when deputies and Pennsylvania State Police surprised and arrested Rorrer, 33, at home. Or did they? I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. He said she paid her bills on time, fed his horse along with hers and comforted him when his father died in December. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. And Patricia did live in another state. Thank you Kerry. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. I noticed quite a few errors myself. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Hashtags such as #FreeTopG and references to Matrix opposition have flooded social media since the influencers arrest in December. Sorry not sorry. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Despite his detention, he continues to enjoy the support of his millions of online followers. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. If the answer is no, enough said! He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Rorrer liked trading and training horses, Myers said, because she didn't have to put her 1-year-old daughter in day care. THE COPS SET HER UP. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Lived In Drake CO . I thought the same. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. I would have liked better her being put to death! How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. With Andrew unwilling or unable to pay the going rate, likely to be thousands of pounds per week, Charles has decided to kick the Sussexes out of the five-bedroom Frogmore Cottage and offer the keys to his younger brother, who is resisting. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Username. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. They are total bs. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. You have permission to edit this article. (Lehighvalleylive.com file photo). Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. They also revealed that the Duke had pleaded with the King for an increased Royal responsibility as he feels 'he deserves to still be treated like a senior royal'. By continuing to use our site, you consent to the placement of cookies on your browser and agree to the terms of our Privacy Policy. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. Davidson County sheriff's deputies searched Rorrer's house in Linwood and volunteered to keep an eye on her after hours. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Sign up for our newsletter to keep reading. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Although I would have liked it to be death! Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. And she will have to answer eventually. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Search it out and check for yourself. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). An intensive search was launched, and family members distributed hundreds of missing-person flyers around Pennsylvania. ``This woman was a possible double murderer, so we had to protect the people out there,' Hege said. And I have absolutely no sympathy. . ``She told me she was praying about it.'. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. The influencers doctors have thus requested for Mr Tates release from prison so he can receive medical treatment in Dubai. I do. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. She and Andrew Katrinak shared a house in Salisbury Township in the mid-1980s, when he was a self-employed contractor and she was a real-estate agent. He retired as a general foreman at Bethlehem Steel in 1981 after 30 years of employment. Discover address history, phone, age and more. Thank you and well said. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. 5 years prior to all this happening! U.S.M.C. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Unbloody vehicle. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Mr Steve J ): They boast glorious ocean views, but swathes of homes along America's coastlines are at risk of tumbling off CLIFFS due to erosion, rising sea levels and extreme weather events, Are YOU guilty of these gym sins? She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Facebook gives people the power. Arkansas (1) Colorado (4) Connecticut (1) Pennsylvania (2) Virginia (2) Refine Your Search Results. Rorrer waived her extradition rights late Tuesday afternoon. Previous to Teresa's current city of Loveland, CO, Teresa Katrinak lived in Estes Park CO. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Search is on. Hege had jail inmates search the woods behind Rorrer's house on Wilson Road. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Sad discovery. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Personal details about Andrew include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? ``I can't believe I was alone with her,' a tearful Bruner said Tuesday evening. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? ``People who work with horses, they love 'em, rub 'em, pet 'em, and at the same time they can be firm with 'em, jerk their bits if they need to,' Hege said. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. ``They did the technical stuff, DNA testing and all that, and we did the grunt police work,' Hege said. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Some people are just monsters. In recent weeks, the King has reportedly asked all members of the royal family to tighten their belts and to expect less money from the Duchy now owned by Charles than in the past. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Search by Name Search . At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Find Andrew Katrinak's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Her mother was married to my uncle. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. No charmed life. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. It makes me sick. Youll have to make do with what you see here. Lie detectors are pseudo science. It was Mr Tates third appeal against his detention since his arrest. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do).